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kiefrank 2007-3-8 11:28 AM

[橋牌] 高花開叫幾多張?

話説琴晚就去左康橋打快樂橋牌(純打發時間).
牌就冇乜好講, 因爲我唔習慣抄牌.
但有一樣野發生左兩次.
我下家響最後決定劈唔劈既時候問左我同伴同一個問題.
"你同伴高花開叫係四張定五張架?"
結果兩次都係 4-1 break.  兩次都打到.
因爲其實 li d 程況, 我已經 assume 左 uneven break, 或者 5-0...:smile_39:

所以其實應該一坐低就問打乜 system.  唔好通水俾我嘛.

[[i] 本帖最後由 Kitani 於 2007-3-9 09:37 AM 編輯 [/i]]

river_child 2007-3-8 12:35 PM

一坐低就問打乜 system?

我記得十幾年前,我重係中學年代,去其他學校打比賽。每一枱「一坐低就問打乜 system?」

其中有一局,對手回答打 中華精準制。由於我與同伴都唔識...,唯有每一叫都問咁即係點,問到對手有D煩。[因為我地差D會問,這個PASS無特別意思的嗎?]:smile_30:

kk216 2007-3-8 03:47 PM

:smile_44: :smile_44:

kk216 2007-3-8 03:48 PM

:smile_44:

Kitani 2007-3-8 05:33 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]kk216[/i] 於 2007-3-8 03:47 PM 發表
:smile_44: :smile_44: [/quote]

[quote]原帖由 [i]kk216[/i] 於 2007-3-8 03:48 PM 發表
:smile_44: [/quote]

尊重樓主, 勿再灌水, 否則扣分.

細魚茄 2007-3-9 01:48 AM

我打開5隻..........

river_child 2007-3-9 02:56 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]細魚茄[/i] 於 2007-3-9 01:48 AM 發表
我打開5隻.......... [/quote]

我一般都係5隻,

但有特別情況4隻都叫,例如有A K Q X。或4-4-4-1牌型...:smile_30:

kiefrank 2007-3-9 05:59 PM

中華精凖...  哈哈...  我都好似打過, 睇果本 orange 色既書仔嘛...

voller 2007-3-10 05:48 AM

睇下高花揸咩牌 ga wor,不過我會叫 4 囉!

uhomeuhome 2007-3-10 10:55 AM

打4張的話是否都要4張應叫?

kyo@kof 2007-3-10 08:16 PM

如果用natural system, 唔係高花4張, 低花5張就可以叫嗎? 太耐都唔係好記得...

[quote]原帖由 [i]river_child[/i] 於 2007-3-8 12:35 PM 發表
我記得十幾年前,我重係中學年代,去其他學校打比賽。每一枱「一坐低就問打乜 system?」

其中有一局,對手回答打 中華精準制。由於我與同伴都唔識...,唯有每一叫都問咁即係點,問到對手有D煩。為我 ... [/quote]

原來可以問架? 我以前打都冇問
我都有睇過中華精準制, 果時聽聞呢個方法好掂, 不過而家已經唔記得晒lu

river_child 2007-3-10 09:11 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]kyo@kof[/i] 於 2007-3-10 08:16 PM 發表
如果用natural system, 唔係高花4張, 低花5張就可以叫嗎? 太耐都唔係好記得...



原來可以問架? 我以前打都冇問
我都有睇過中華精準制, 果時聽聞呢個方法好掂, 不過而家已經唔記得晒lu [/quote]


打比賽的時候,係可以問對手,「你同伴咁叫,係乜野意思呢?」

例如有人叫1S,你問佢同伴,同伴會回答,13pt up,4 cards S up.:smile_30:

all_nothing 2007-3-11 12:41 AM

師傳教落5-3容易打過4-4
成日叫牌時要用Waiting
等同伴表態4張定5張
仲有4-4皇牌大牌唔多仲煩......
皇牌失控非常嚴重
但唔記得是意大利定法國是用4張高花開叫
有技術,其實打乜都得

[[i] 本帖最後由 all_nothing 於 2007-3-11 12:47 AM 編輯 [/i]]

szekei2 2007-3-19 12:42 PM

好難詁4-4好打d定5-3好打d, 視牌形而定, 不過如果有1手牌係double fit, 我會傾向打4-4唔打5-3, 因為可以用長門墊下牌

以樓主既情況, 其實opp根本唔應該問, 拎你張convention card睇下咪知囉(不過係康橋打牌好似唔駛帶cc:smile_30: )

wmh42 2007-3-24 11:29 PM

我打開sayc,所以係5 in major

月野兔 2007-3-29 09:35 PM

2/1 ..5隻開叫 .. 3th seat may be AKJx open 1M

霍耐特 2007-4-1 02:45 PM

精準制都要五張高花才可這樣開叫.四四強牌的話,在二階的時候要叫回低花才可.

kiefrank 2007-4-13 03:22 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]all_nothing[/i] 於 2007-3-11 00:41 發表
師傳教落5-3容易打過4-4
成日叫牌時要用Waiting
等同伴表態4張定5張
仲有4-4皇牌大牌唔多仲煩......
皇牌失控非常嚴重
但唔記得是意大利定法國是用4張高花開叫
有技術,其實打乜都得 [/quote]

小弟有幸打過一年藍梅 (四張高花開叫).  4-4 皇實在練過唔小...  有時真係好痛苦...  會嘔血...
康橋有人帶成張臺布甘大既 bidding sheet.  起碼有兩 pair 人係有帶所謂既 convention card 既...

hclihcli 2007-4-14 03:17 AM

This is an interesting question. Let's share some idea together.

Assume you have 4-4 fit and all honours in trump suit, you may get 4 tricks in hand and 1-2 by ruff at dummy.

If you have 5-3 fit, you may get 5 tricks and 1-2 ruff at dummy.

If you have 6-2 fit, you may get 6 tricks but may not have chance to ruff.

So you may notice, for 8 trump fit, you get nearly 6 tricks.

For a 5-4 fit, you may get 5 tricks in hand and 2 ruff at dummy if trump break 2-2 or you have chance before defender draw trump for you. So you get nearly 7 tricks.

You can see, the importance to seperate bewteen 8 cards fit and 9 cards fit is quite important. And hence, Bergen raise and law of total tricks are tool and theory to support this as well.

For people play 5 card major opening and Bergen raise, they can check for this combination easily. Even you don't play Bergen but only 5 card major opening, you can simple raise once you have 3 small card support to your partner opening major.

Also, 1NT forcing and 2/1 can seperate the weak hand with strong hand in one early bid. And many players use 5 cards major nowaday. We can see that there is some rational behind. Many convention and bidding sequence development are based on these bidding system, too. So you can get easy reference by expert.

[[i] 本帖最後由 hclihcli 於 2007-4-14 03:18 AM 編輯 [/i]]

wxes 2007-4-14 03:30 AM

hclihcli 瞰來是位高手:loveliness:
小弟也是5張高花開叫
使用Bergen 之人
我與你的看法一致

hclihcli 2007-4-14 03:39 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]wxes[/i] 於 2007-4-14 03:30 AM 發表
hclihcli 瞰來是位高手:loveliness:
小弟也是5張高花開叫
使用Bergen 之人
我與你的看法一致 [/quote]

I am a beginner only......and I even don't play Bergen raise but believe in the law of total trick......

wxes 2007-4-14 07:58 AM

the law of total trick
總敦數定率也會因牌張分配而有所調整
並不是100%準確的
我認為他最主要的用途不僅是合約判斷線位
應該活用於競叫中
雙方僵持不下之時
不知誰該退縮的時候

P.S:        
可參考"叫或不叫──總磴數定律"

Kitani 2007-5-1 01:21 AM

這個馬拉松的橋牌主題, 就此告一段落了? :smile_41:

BeSmart 2007-5-1 11:41 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]Kitani[/i] 於 2007-5-1 01:21 AM 發表
這個馬拉松的橋牌主題, 就此告一段落了? :smile_41: [/quote]

我諗佢地搵緊參考資料,之後再討論過吧。不過據我所知,之前有人出過本書 ---《I break the law》,講好多關於 law of total tricks failure 的例子。橋牌的理論,往往都係日新月異,所以橋手應該日日keep住update自己的橋技,否則不進則退。

BeSmart 2007-5-1 11:45 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]hclihcli[/i] 於 2007-4-14 03:17 AM 發表
This is an interesting question. Let's share some idea together.

Assume you have 4-4 fit and all honours in trump suit, you may get 4 tricks in hand and 1-2 by ruff at dummy.

If you have 5- ... [/quote]

One drawback of Forcing 1NT is that the 1NT response has been overloaded.

You have to bid nearly any hand with 6-11 HCP and w/o support. It is hard for you to explore a minor fit.

Anyway, because given that you have 5 card major at least, you can ensure the trump length is satisfactory.

hclihcli 2007-5-2 10:31 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]BeSmart[/i] 於 2007-5-1 11:45 AM 發表


One drawback of Forcing 1NT is that the 1NT response has been overloaded.

You have to bid nearly any hand with 6-11 HCP and w/o support. It is hard for you to explore a minor fit.

Any ... [/quote]

That is one drawback if you use 2/1 game forcing. After you response with a 2-level new suit, you set up a forcing to game sequence and you save space to search for slam.

You will lost the possibility to find good partial contract. However, you gain more in game and slam. Just believe in your system and familar with the weakness to reach a "better" contract in most of the time. And good luck.

hclihcli 2007-5-2 10:46 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]BeSmart[/i] 於 2007-5-1 11:41 AM 發表


我諗佢地搵緊參考資料,之後再討論過吧。不過據我所知,之前有人出過本書 ---《I break the law》,講好多關於 law of total tricks failure 的例子。橋牌的理論,往往都係日新月異,所以橋手應該日日keep住 ... [/quote]

May be "[i]I Fought the Law of Total Tricks" ?[/i]

[url=http://www.newbridgelaw.com/]http://www.newbridgelaw.com/[/url]

Even Larry Cohen claim that there are many exception for The Law. We have to use brain rather than calculater at the table.

You have to value your hand by High Card Point, Loser, quick trick, the law of total trick, the bidding of opponent to look for sharp and high card in opponents' hands.

Kitani 2007-5-17 10:39 PM

提升主題. :smile_22:

edward_2000_hk 2007-5-19 11:02 PM

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Kitani 2007-6-3 12:01 AM

再度提升.
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