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symphonicdance 2019-1-10 06:48 AM

這兩組隔代師徒關係/稱呼英文是?

如果:

A is the teacher of B.
B is the teacher of C.
C is the teacher of D.

A 和 C 的關係是用 grand teacher and grand student 稱呼?

A 和 D 則用 great grand teacher and great grand student?

謝謝!

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corwin 2019-1-10 06:55 AM

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如果:

A is the teacher of B.
B is the teacher of C.
C is the teacher of D.

A 和 C 的關係是 grand teacher and grand student?

A 和 D 的關係是 great grand teacher and great grand student?

謝謝! ... [/quote]
I think...
A & C are total stranger to each other.
Same for A & D.

narius 2019-1-10 11:13 AM

Lol .. nope. You cannot just make things up .. even if it is logical. 

People need to realize that one-to-one correspondence between Chinese and English does NOT always exist. Certainly concepts do not translate with a single term that people can grasp right away.

symphonicdance 2019-1-10 11:19 AM

So, are there any terms at all?  

We can only describe as:

C is the student of the student of A or A is the teacher of the teacher of C;

D is the student of the student of the student of A or A is the teacher of the teacher of the teacher of D?

krzys995x8 2019-1-10 12:06 PM

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So, are there any terms at all?  

We can only describe as:

C is the student of the student of A or A is the teacher of the teacher of C;

D is the student of the student of the student of A or A is  ... [/quote]

There is no such transitive relationship between those.

sandtrack02 2019-1-10 12:55 PM

中國人有個講法「一日為師,終身為師」。
國人常強調某某師承哪位大師,或某某有哪位高足,藉以攀附,抬高身價。
[u]李小龍[/u](Bruce Lee)跟[u]羅禮士[/u] (Chuck Norris)一起演出《猛龍過江》(The Way of the Dragon)。他倆是朋友關係,有切磋研究武術不足為奇,但不少香港人硬要說[u]羅禮士[/u]是[u]李小龍[/u]徒弟,把[u]李小龍[/u]升呢做師父,踩低[u]羅禮士[/u]為徒弟,這樣感覺會好一點 -- 自high。

以前看過不少港產功夫片,留意到英語配音叫「師父」做「teacher」或「master」。叫「師公」做「grandmaster」,印象中未有叫「grand teacher」。
「Grandmaster」又可以解「一代宗師」。梁朝偉齣「一代宗師」,英文就叫「The Grandmaster」。
[u]葉問[/u],[u]劉家良[/u]在網上不時有人稱為「a grandmaster of Wing Chun/Kung Fu」。


[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGCDyGakMo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGCDyGakMo[/url]

上面鏈結標題是:[b]DISD grand teacher: 3 Generations of Math Teachers at Tag Magnet[/b]
DISD = Dallas Independent School District

下面有4幅截圖,頭2幅可以將「grand teacher」理解為「好老師」或「偉大的老師(智者)」。
最後2幅可以將「grand teacher」理解為「老師的老師」。

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sandtrack02 2019-1-10 01:29 PM

……續6樓

Google 咗「the great-grand-student」,有以下截圖:

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corwin 2019-1-10 10:02 PM

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……續6樓

Google 咗「the great-grand-student」,有以下截圖:
[img]https://cdn.discuss.com.hk/t/92014b/f/800x0/https://img.discuss.com.hk/d/attachments/day_190110/20190110_c77fe33b56cf236dd29dqetGdZW8I4qz.jpg[/img]

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Can you google to see when Alfred Cortot studied under Chopin and when Dr. Chan studied under Cortot?

sandtrack02 2019-1-10 11:00 PM

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Can you google to see when Alfred Cortot studied under Chopin and when Dr. Chan studied under Cortot? [/quote]


講到 google,你都好厲害,做乜自己唔去做?:smile_41:
邊個話你知「Alfred Cortot studied under Chopin」?

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corwin 2019-1-10 11:01 PM

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講到 google,你都好厲害,做乜自己唔去做?:smile_41:
邊個話你知「Alfred Cortot studied under Chopin」?

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9203484 [/quote]So sorry, I didn't know you go off-topic and not discuss the topic brought up by OP.

sandtrack02 2019-1-10 11:06 PM

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sandtrack02 2019-1-11 12:56 AM

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咁快就有豬豬,果然係每天上香討八小時。:lol:lol:lol [/quote]

最近我都被人派咗好多「豬」,唔通?:smile_41:

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sandtrack02 2019-1-11 01:05 AM

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大家小心非洲豬瘟. [/quote]

我14樓只係貼咗張圖話「冇嘢講」,咁都被超版刪咗去:smile_41:
呢排都係超版出手,英語區版主可能忙,要佢暫代。

sandtrack02 2019-1-11 01:06 AM

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非洲豬瘟. [/quote]

African swine fever :smile_27:

mmppff 2019-1-11 01:19 AM

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我14樓只係貼咗張圖話「冇嘢講」,咁都被超版刪咗去:smile_41:
呢排都係超版出手,英語區版主可能忙,要佢暫代。 [/quote]


超版好得閒又夜瞓.

sandtrack02 2019-1-11 01:23 AM

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超版好得閒又夜瞓. [/quote]

佢啲標準跟英語區版主有好大分別。
要適應一下:smile_13:

mmppff 2019-1-11 01:27 AM

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.kaxka.. 2019-1-11 07:20 AM

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超版在此,佢點敢亂來.

[url]https://www.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=21137638[/url] [/quote]

You seem to know a lot about him. He must be your buddy. 😏😏

symphonicdance 2019-1-11 07:43 AM

Folks,

Please don't hijack my post.  Also, kindly refrain from going off topic and/or attacking 超版.

Thank you.

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symphonicdance 2019-1-11 07:52 AM

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Can you google to see when Alfred Cortot studied under Chopin and when Dr. Chan studied under Cortot? [/quote]

Cortot was not a student of Chopin.  Chopin was dead before Cortot was born.  However, Cortot's teacher, Emile Decombes, was a student of Chopin.

Not sure about Dr. Chan :smile_41:

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symphonicdance 2019-1-11 07:54 AM

Beethoven -> Czerny -> Liszt -> Siloti -> Rachmaninoff

Can we make it easier and describe Liszt as a 2nd generation student of Beethoven, Soliti as a 3rd student of Beethoven, and Rachmaninoff as a 4th generation student of Beethoven?


It is so clumsy to write:
Rachmaninoff was a student of Soliti, whose teacher was Liszt, who in turn was taught by Czerny, a pupil of Beethoven.

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