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ErvingCheng 2016-6-7 12:19 PM

You should thank God to have such fee.

天下無彊 2016-6-7 12:33 PM

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You should thank God to have such fee. [/quote]


唔係吖,上網揾吓就有啦
只不過係好多人唔知價啫

正如有d firm幫人開1間公司賺$8,000 , 有d就只賺$500, 客路及定位不同而矣



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稅務小子 2016-6-7 11:58 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]ErvingCheng[/i] 於 2016-6-3 04:52 PM 發表 [url=http://finance.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=442343313&ptid=24716632][img]http://finance.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
But, the rental of commercial buildings in Wanchai, Central, Sheung Wan, Sai Ying Pun, ...keep going up and up, or 5% increase this couple of months.  Also, the salary of audit junior in a local firm  ... [/quote]

very true, the office rent keeps increasing steadily.  
staff cost is also a big issue. Now the expectation of junior is rather high.  It is not easy to hire right people.

稅務小子 2016-6-8 04:31 AM

雖然公會知悉有部份從業者收低價, 比成平還要平的價格, 而且是沒有管制的. 所以出現天下兄所了解的收費, 我不驚訝. 近年, 公會以加強檢查從業者的方法, 以提高審計質素 (成本增加), 間接提高收價. 其實公會是用心良苦的.
每年稅務局跟公會的年度會議, 稅務局都會把有問題的審計交給公會. 我也不知公會會否對"有問題的審計" 聯會稅務局"殺一警百". 或者現時已殺百了.

erving兄所講的定價, 也是一般從業者的定價. 我大膽講, 這是可接受的市價.  而出現low-balling, 我認同erving兄所言, 主要是 part-time PC等的行為.

說實說, audit和開公司工作, 對用家來說, 只是compliance, 沒有附加值的. 當然越平越好. 能省1蚊得1蚊. 人心是這樣的. 但亦因為這樣, 我收到不小client主動找我. 原因正正是他們的稅務和審計出了問題, 享受了平價的好處, 但到頭來, 是要還的.

他們的問題有以下好幾種:

1. 審計師轉得太快. 稅務局一問, 為什麼常常轉審計師?理由是什麼, 之後會出信給董事, 要求做稅務檢查. 這時董事才知出事了.

2. 會計準則太舊, 今年我收到一份財務報表, 是根據SSAP來編制的. 公會睇到, 一定問, 你是否活在平行時空. 稅務局睇到, 立即出信.

3. 稅務知識嚴重不足和過時.  我舉例子, 呢個例了是有趣的, 我在其他Post都提出. 稅務局為什麼在其指引中會改了totality of facts的字眼? 現時又加入了什麼字眼, 和強調了什麼? 事實上如果不是做開稅務的, 也未必會注意有這改變.  條例是死的, 但怎樣解讀條例, 則每個年期也不盡相同.

註: 現時外面下雨

天下無彊 2016-6-8 12:51 PM

審計報告嘅主要作用都係報税,
而家cpa個個都係隻眼開隻眼閉比客出私人數, 下下執到正真係揾鬼幫襯



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ErvingCheng 2016-6-8 02:20 PM

Audit report in Chinese is: 核數報吿 in Hong Kong
大陸才叫:審計報告
The audit report will provide to the banks and the government departments, not only the IRD.
The tax deductible items are determined by the IRD, not by the auditors.

天下無彊 2016-6-8 02:26 PM

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Audit report in Chinese is: 核數報吿 in Hong Kong
大陸才叫:審計報告
The audit report will provide to the banks and the government departments, not only the IRD.
The tax deductible items are ... [/quote]

而家中港一家,叫咩咁大影响咩

除非你新仔都有上市公司客啦,[u]否則[/u]sme auditors` report 講明淨係比shareholers,auditor梗想disclaimer 自己 liabilities:smile_04::smile_04:

cpa又要幫客
又要專業,
兩頭唔到岸,先係兩難

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ErvingCheng 2016-6-8 04:44 PM

If you do not know, just don't say so.  The Chinese translation is used for many decades.  Please don't fix up with the mainland China version.

The SME audit report under the new Companies Ordinance (Cap. 622) changed the wording of "shareholders" to "members".  If you do not know it, just don't say so.

天下無彊 2016-6-8 09:08 PM

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If you do not know, just don't say so. The Chinese translation is used for many decades. Please don't fix up with the mainland China version.

The SME audit report under the new Companies Ordinanc ... [/quote]


咬文嚼字又有乜用?
照你咁講, 大狀庭上都唔講得shareholder吖?:lol
讀死書兼扮專業, 都揾唔到客架啦

你身為cpa 都唔知audit report基本係address比邊個??
質素可想而知喎

If you don't know, just say "KNOW" - 適用於你:smile_04::smile_04:

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稅務小子 2016-6-10 03:35 PM

審計報告在中小企客戶心目中是用來報稅, 有些會要多一份給銀行, 這是主要目的.
我想考下大家. 審計報告為什麼是給股東(嚴格來講是member), 而不是其他機構呢? 上述我也說明了, 審計報告的主要用戶是稅局, 為什麼不直接了當給他們便是了?

cpa又要幫客, 又要專業,兩頭唔到岸,先係兩難<-是! 一方面, auditor要根據會計和審計準則行事, 另一方面, 又要知道唯是老闆.這就變成兩邊不是人.

這是我對審計的睇法:有沒有value added!
如果在審計途中發現客戶的入賬方法對公司不利, 而我能夠同時提出解決方案, 協助他們達到目的 (如減小稅務支出, 把不能扣稅變成能扣稅等), 這才是value added. 大約10年前, 我們的tax Director, ACCA前會長, 問了我們一個問題, 他說: “你認為做audit既人熟accounting standard多D, 定做tax的人熟D呢”. 十年前, 我不明的, 自我出來創業後才領悟箇中原因.

稅務小子 2016-6-16 06:44 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]ErvingCheng[/i] 於 2016-6-3 04:52 PM 發表 [url=http://finance.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=442343313&ptid=24716632][img]http://finance.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
But, the rental of commercial buildings in Wanchai, Central, Sheung Wan, Sai Ying Pun, ...keep going up and up, or 5% increase this couple of months.  Also, the salary of audit junior in a local firm  ... [/quote]

Ching, 今個月27號你洗唔洗上CPD?

稅務小子 2016-6-16 12:16 PM

For future reference:

1. Tax obligations of property owners   Tax obligations of property owners
(June 16, 2016)

2. Revised application forms for certificate of Hong Kong resident status in respect of the Comprehensive Arrangement for the Avoidance of Double Taxation between the Mainland and Hong Kong (“the Arrangement”) will apply as from 20 June 2016  

comment:
1. 而家稅務條例, 會計準則和審計準則,改得好緊要, 日後只會更複雜
2. 以前稅務局報導逃稅新聞和現時的報導手法不同, 要留意.

ErvingCheng 2016-6-16 01:56 PM

I do not enroll such seminar on 27 June as this is quite boring to listen to those officials to talk about the rules and PR.
I do enroll the Annual Taxation Update 2016 on 16 July 2016, even this is also a bored seminar as well.

機偉健兒 2016-6-16 05:29 PM

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ErvingCheng 2016-6-17 04:28 PM

Do you complete the Electronic Questionnaire yet?  This is due by the end of June.  The important part is to fill in the name of Monitor.  If not, you will receive the query letter from the HKICPA later on.  If you do not have many audit clients, you may consider to declare not to sign audit report.  Then, you are not subject to the PR.

PCbuddy 2016-6-17 08:35 PM

Hi ErvingCheng 如果每年只有十隻jobs以下,你認為值得如實申報嗎?



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ErvingCheng 2016-6-18 03:09 PM

Sure, you have to report the true to the HKICPA. Meanwhile, you should consider whether to continue to sign the audit report or not.
I shifted all my jobs to the firm, then I declared that I did not sign any assurance reports. I am not subject to the PR.

ErvingCheng 2016-6-18 03:15 PM

Last year, I assisted another Part-time CPA to prepare the PR.  He had only 4 jobs.   After the PR, he told me that he will not sign the audit report. He shifted a couple of jobs to me this year.

稅務小子 2016-6-20 11:32 AM

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樓主開 POST 一年先第一次入來看
謝謝分享

小弟只是打工仔,但相信一個有能力的財務顧問(我覺得呢個詞更貼切樓主),可以為一盤生意帶來更多利益。 [/quote]

謝謝
我理念是: 現時的auditor/professional accountant不能單單只做會計, 更要提供一個全方位的服務方案給客戶.
會計, 稅務, 審計等, 而更重要是integrity.

audit/稅務, 我從不當是一盤生意. 有機會開分享

稅務小子 2016-6-20 11:36 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]ErvingCheng[/i] 於 2016-6-17 04:28 PM 發表 [url=http://finance.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=443133649&ptid=24716632][img]http://finance.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Do you complete the Electronic Questionnaire yet?  This is due by the end of June.  The important part is to fill in the name of Monitor.  If not, you will receive the query letter from the HKICPA later on.  If you do not have many audit clients, you may consider to declare not to sign audit report.  Then, you are not subject to the PR.[/quote]

I honestly completed the questionnaire.  

Thanks for your reminding of it.

稅務小子 2016-6-20 11:38 AM

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I do not enroll such seminar on 27 June as this is quite boring to listen to those officials to talk about the rules and PR.
I do enroll the Annual Taxation Update 2016 on 16 July 2016, even this is  ... [/quote]

兩個CPD我都有報, 7月個個, 我要出trip,有機會上唔到, 唯有再上返.

稅務小子 2016-6-20 11:41 AM

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Hi ErvingCheng 如果每年只有十隻jobs以下,你認為值得如實申報嗎?

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我如實報. 加油ching.

PCbuddy 2016-6-20 01:47 PM

Thx ErvingCheng, 我會如實報告。依家整緊QCM同揾了monitor. APM就一直用緊HKICPA的,還有嘜要留意下?



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ErvingCheng 2016-6-20 02:40 PM

If you do not have much manpower, then the regulated clients should not be accepted, such as SFC license firm, insurance broker, law firm, school, etc.  
The APM is enough for the PR.  If you have time, you can go through the sample report to prepare a completed audit file (even there will be over 600 pages).

稅務小子 2016-6-28 06:14 AM

從新聞得知淘大工業村大火.
兩位英雄離世, salute! and rest in peace.

琴日一落機就去左公會上CPD,
今次公幹是做10Q.

ErvingCheng 2016-6-28 02:40 PM

US jobs are almost out of the HK market, and the insurance is so expensive.

steveliverpool 2016-6-28 06:23 PM

各位大大,

如果想接D 細JOB 幫人埋下數, 應該從何開始?

ErvingCheng 2016-6-28 06:36 PM

Usually, the jobs will refer from your friends, classmates, relatives, etc.  Therefore, you need to expose yourself to those people with business about your accounting skill and knowledge, and this will take some time to get return or clients.

稅務小子 2016-6-30 08:19 AM

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各位大大,

如果想接D 細JOB 幫人埋下數, 應該從何開始? [/quote]

會計, 在市場上有一定的需求. 我相信閣下也會考慮朋友, 親人等身邊的人能否給閣下機會. 有一點你要留意, 多點溝通, 和氣生財.

稅務小子 2016-6-30 08:41 AM

我今次上國內工作, 主要評估國內賬的風險, 包括企業本身的入賬方法.  有部份還是停留在紅字, 藍字, 要把這些一一調回. 轉固的程序是否做足.對current account和opening balance, 把RPT找出來, 計算impairment, 還有是計算bills of exchange, notes, endorsement這些的利息/利率. 在短短一個星期, 計下計下, 我也做了不小工作.
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