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chiulingyu 2012-11-19 01:40 AM

Choice.Sorry, i didnt know here is a Eng version

hi all, here is a situation i am facing with, wt do u choose?

I am working in a big company which is quite famous in HK, of course my post is not high yet, only earn about 16-18k monthly + double pay annually.....I am enjoying it

Now i know in my field, there is another company which offer about 30K monthly, but I do not enjoy the working post..what do u choose? interest? or money??

jimbo86 2012-11-19 03:11 AM

if u go for $ u may find u have no motivation to go on later soon as the $ novelty wears off. initially u have $ u but material goods u feel walking on air, but hated the job every morn until u slip or make mistakes which eventually be seen by colleagues & bozz then u know what's going to happen?

if the job turns your crank then u probably be working there without much supervision, eventually your bozz will give u raise, but given the environment in hk and such a f up state, most bozz dont give a damn either, u may be stuck there for another 25 yrs.
i am 5k miles away is pretty hard to tell u exactly to do.
kind of between rock & a hard place.
just like Japan's PM Noda, to have the rock & vote or home alone?

YASN 2012-11-19 09:02 AM

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What do you mean by " do not enjoy the working post"? Longer hours than the current one? More responsibilities?

chiulingyu 2012-11-19 11:52 AM

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the duty is different from my current one, my current job is kind of management, the other one is being managed, wt do u say bro?

YASN 2012-11-19 12:29 PM

I guess I don't understand why a job that has less responsibilities ("being managed" instead of "management") will pay so much more. I guess I will change job if the new place has better advancement opportunity. Even if you have to change job in another year or two, your higher salary level will get you more chances with better jobs.

jimbo86 2012-11-19 01:03 PM

can sell her butt/ derriere for more bucks too,

being in management = driver seat

being managed = someone rows the boat for u, or tells u where & how to row your boat.

YASN 2012-11-19 01:40 PM

unless he is the CEO or president, he is "being managed". The only difference is will he have direct report under him or not. No offense, but how high a position that pays under HK$20K/m be?

kwaileung 2012-11-19 07:06 PM

there is no doubt for money, 12k difference is not a small number....for me:smile_30:

CorpLady 2012-11-21 01:58 AM

well, first of all, have you got the job yet?  if so, congratulations.  

a risky strategy is to tell your current boss you have an offer and let him match you
this is very risky coz you have to make sure you are damn good for him to take you without questioning your loyalty to the firm

you only get big salary increase by moving around, one year down the road, how do you know your old company wouldn't take you back?  you just need to be very strategic and sure of what you are doing

YASN 2012-11-21 02:16 AM

From $16-18K to $30K is a big jump. There is no way for the current employer is going to match or even come close to it. If his boss gives him a raise, the boss may have to do it for his peers.

CorpLady 2012-11-21 02:18 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]YASN[/i] 於 2012-11-21 02:16 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=347902143&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
From $16-18K to $30K is a big jump. There is no way for the current employer is going to match or even come close to it. If his boss gives him a raise, the boss may have to do it for his peers. [/quote]

big or not is relative
and salary information are confidential, why does the boss need to do it for his peers?
also, i did mention that he'd better be really very good to play this strategy.. don't ask don't get.

YASN 2012-11-21 02:38 AM

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I agree the part about "don't ask don't get".
About the question why his boss has to give his peers raise. OP said he works for a big company. Big company has certain salary structure that they have to follow. One employee can not make 75% or 100% more than other employees doing similar work. For all we know, his direct supervisor may not even make $30K. If we are talking about 10% or 20% raise, I think the chance is much higher. $12-$14K, I don't know.

jimbo86 2012-11-21 03:56 AM

maybe u need to go for it.  as basic necessity in hk almost ate up your first 10k, is really your baby if u can stomach it then go for it. life is kind of  good time but not long time.
if u stay there at 30k for a yr then at least u got some nest eggs to stay home further your edu or travel oe just curl up and do SFA.
these people got to see something in u to throw so much at u, in HK  employers aren't all that stoopid.  
[quote]原帖由 [i]kwaileung[/i] 於 2012-11-19 07:06 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=347792409&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
there is no doubt for money, 12k difference is not a small number....for me:smile_30: [/quote]

CorpLady 2012-11-21 05:30 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]YASN[/i] 於 2012-11-21 02:38 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=347902750&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I agree the part about "don't ask don't get".
About the question why his boss has to give his peers raise. OP said he works for a big company. Big company has certain salary structure that they have  ... [/quote]

We don't have enough information about whether he's moving for a title as well
a promotion with a base increase makes the whole "moving to another pay grade" much more sensible
just think that no one should be taken advantage of, if you worth $30k in the market, you should try to get yourself closer to that number.
that's just my two cents

炎西妹 2012-11-22 03:02 AM

I would choose to the new position for sure as ppl work for earning and you're young, you have lots of time to jump into different fields. It's a good chance for you to make a change, give yourself a chance to know what career is suitable for your rest of your life as well.
Just go!!!

Econophysics 2012-11-22 02:59 PM

it depends on your family economy condition.
to me, $$ is the 1st

antonyd 2012-11-23 06:22 PM

new job sounds appealing to me.

osfan 2012-11-23 11:10 PM

Being in management doesn't mean you are in driver seat. There are lots of crap coming with it. Several employees with attitude is enough to drive you nuts. Anything goes wrong is on you. Not everyone has the personality or stamina to be a manager, sometimes the money ain't worth it.



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anthony0908 2012-11-24 12:04 AM

for sure it is your own choice, for me i will stay in the same company, as i don't know the furture

jimbo86 2012-11-24 12:40 AM

ya is promoted to incompetence, kind of out lived your usefulness in the company lor.

[quote]原帖由 [i]osfan[/i] 於 2012-11-23 11:10 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=348116303&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Being in management doesn't mean you are in driver seat. There are lots of crap coming with it. Several employees with attitude is enough to drive you nuts. Anything goes wrong is on you. Not everyone ... [/quote]

osfan 2012-11-24 12:41 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]jimbo86[/i] 於 2012-11-24 12:40 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=348123395&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
ya is promoted to incompetence, kind of out lived your usefulness in the company lor.

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I have seen the most competent people at work got burned by being at management position for different reasons. There is no smooth sailing in this position, things go wrong all the time and they are not in manager's control. To think management is easy is simplistic and unrealistic.


[url=http://management.about.com/cs/yourself/a/ManagementForMe_2.htm]http://management.about.com/cs/yourself/a/ManagementForMe_2.htm[/url]

[[i] 本帖最後由 osfan 於 2012-11-24 01:50 AM 編輯 [/i]]

jimbo86 2012-11-24 07:07 AM

some of us are born leader & some of us should be lead.
is important to know early as where u fit in.

jimbo86 2012-11-24 07:11 AM

fnd of mines was practicing as a solicitor, dealing with ppl was not his forte, so now he writes tax law in upper canada/ ottawa for our govt.
whereas his sis is doing family law real well , having her own firm
another fnd been with rcmp for 20 some yrs, now she'll be promoted to be the top 25 rcmp of our whole country.
is never easy, some of us are good at that.

8/8/2007 2012-11-24 11:08 AM

It depends on ur goals. For example, if u want to buy house in short term, "$- oriented" may seem as
a desirable field.

If u pursue autonomous workplace, keeping this post is Okay.
Hope u make a decision quickly!!!:smile_34:

jimbo86 2012-11-24 12:20 PM

if u want to buy house in short term, "$- oriented" may seem as
a desirable field.

thats even higher risk, as once u bought the house u need a very stable income, if the devil u dont know  could be a good time but not long time, then u may make a few quick buck and get rendered redundant, can u use that excuse to tell the bank for not making good on the payment?

mark.george 2012-11-30 11:26 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]YASN[/i] 於 2012-11-19 01:40 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=347770251&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
unless he is the CEO or president, he is "being managed". The only difference is will he have direct report under him or not. No offense, but how high a position that pays under HK$20K/m be? [/quote]
CEO/President could "being managed" by Board of Directors.

YASN 2012-11-30 11:53 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mark.george[/i] 於 2012-11-30 11:26 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=348654491&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

CEO/President could "being managed" by Board of Directors. [/quote]

BoD sets directions but they don't/shouldn't "look over the shoulder" on a daily basis.

mark.george 2012-12-1 12:27 AM

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BoD sets directions but they don't/shouldn't "look over the shoulder" on a daily basis. [/quote]
However, when the business fails, CEO gets fired even it's not his fault.
In fact, a lot of CEOs got fired in the subprime crisis.

tombo18 2012-12-1 12:31 AM

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YASN 2012-12-1 01:00 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mark.george[/i] 於 2012-12-1 12:27 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=348659673&ptid=21150054][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

However, when the business fails, CEO gets fired even it's not his fault.
In fact, a lot of CEOs got fired in the subprime crisis. [/quote]

Of course is his/her fault when the business doesn't do well. CEO (or the president) is in charge, not BoD. Anyway, even if the CEO is made to be the scapegoat, s/he is not "being managed" on a daily basis prior to their departure.
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